Stage 10: "Remco nearly paid a high price for his bravery."

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00:00:31: Tadeh Pogacar wins on the French national holiday in Le Lila and extends his lead in general classification.

00:00:39: Remko Evenepool takes second place, moves to third in GC.

00:00:44: Florian Lipovitz finishes fourth today – is now sixth in GC!

00:00:49: There's a lot to discuss….

00:00:50: let get into it with team manager of Red Bull Bora Hansgrohe.

00:00:54: Hello to Ralf Denk!

00:01:02: Second and fourth place today, third and sixth in the GC.

00:01:06: Fully satisfied or is there anything to criticize?

00:01:10: When I talk about our guys so about Remcoe and Florian also the whole team was up for a long time.

00:01:18: We are fully satisfied!

00:01:19: Good day for us.

00:01:21: Then let's get into the race action Towards the end.

00:01:27: lot happened.

00:01:28: that to be expected.

00:01:30: Isaac Del Toro who was third in the GC at that point, was visibly struggling.

00:01:36: it's about the podium up front.

00:01:39: Remco Evenepool took the initiative had some trouble in between.

00:01:44: did he overdo a bit there?

00:01:47: Yeah first we might have to start further back twenty five thirty kilometers before finish a phenomenally riding Richard Carapaz.

00:01:56: He wanted to win the stage with brute force, UAE took control then shortly later Wismar so both Wingegard and Pogaccia also wanted to in this stage.

00:02:09: not just Richard Carrapaz, Pogaca then goes.

00:02:14: And that was already massively high baseline pace there.

00:02:18: So it's only very small group of plus minus ten riders And Pogaccia for the first time, I'll put it this way didn't get away quite as effortlessly.

00:02:30: As usual my impression.

00:02:32: The group behind Wingergaard was in there.

00:02:35: Florian Lipowitz Was in their Remko even a pool was in.

00:02:38: they're two guys from Lidl track were in their pulse.

00:02:40: extras was also still in There.

00:02:42: In my opinion if that group works well together They bring Pogaca back today to look.

00:02:48: Remco invested massive amount in that phase of the race and he almost paid a high price for it because He had trouble as you say on The final climb Keeping up with the chaser, the chasing group On yeah.

00:03:05: Maybe he went a bit too deep there but on the other hand My opinion also Had their little track could have done more.

00:03:14: they had two in the group They have with their rider Skelmose Jensen A rider who most likely has no chance left for the podium.

00:03:23: He actually, I think could have at least shared some of the work.

00:03:27: Remco was again the one who wrote the most which really sets him apart because he wasn't satisfied with second place.

00:03:35: He absolutely wanted to win this stage invested a lot then had brief problems but then came back phenomenally and in the end still finished.

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00:03:46: At that moment when Ivanipul had to let go Was there an instruction to Florian Lipovitz, to say please don't push the pace at the front.

00:03:57: Try to hold back instead?

00:04:00: It looked like that at times.

00:04:03: so that the gap between Ivanipul wouldn't get too big was there and instruction.

00:04:08: I mean this co-captain strategy.

00:04:12: it leaves room for speculation

00:04:15: Yeah, but in that phase I mean the field was split anyway.

00:04:20: There were no team car there and also the TV picture delayed by ten seconds.

00:04:27: No!

00:04:27: That's situational.

00:04:29: Florian was at his limit first.

00:04:33: others would have had to increase the gap with Remco.

00:04:36: they didn't manage it either recovered relatively quickly and came back.

00:04:42: And then delivered phenomenally again in the finale, like I said both guys did a mega good job up there!

00:04:51: There was no reason to let's say write one of them out of their classification or wait.

00:04:58: so they both really did a good job Kudos!

00:05:01: Del Toro.

00:05:02: that is bit off the elephant for me right now because If Lipovitz had pushed through the whole group, of course they could have increased the gap to Del Toro.

00:05:18: But would those few seconds which it probably would've been in the end be too high a price for pay?

00:05:24: also not take Evenipool out as you just hinted at?

00:05:28: That was indeed the reason at the bottom before The Last Climb, why Remcoe uh...was so keen to keep his pace high.

00:05:34: On one hand maybe close the gap into the front of Pogaccia but also not let Del Toro back in.

00:05:42: But a group only works in harmony if everyone does plus minus the same and the guys from Lidl did relatively little.

00:05:50: Paul Sexas was alone.

00:05:52: I understand that he doesn't do quite as much But the group just didn't work in harmony on stage six after the tourmalée.

00:06:00: And that's why Remco, because he was so driven to win today also did it most.

00:06:07: It is not really your job as I understand now... ...to say we are basically hurting ourselves The others do nothing and we're supposed to hurt ourselfs at the end.

00:06:19: That would have been tactically unwise at this moment.

00:06:21: Yeah,

00:06:23: I'm glad they see it.

00:06:24: Oh, Leiner selbst geschadet!

00:06:27: Weil er so einen Drang hatte heute auf dem Sieg und also da großes Schapur oder große Klicks.

00:06:37: It's settled for a second place to make one guy and another in the group.

00:06:44: Big praise Florian Lipovitz...I mean i have to the people out there again.

00:06:51: This is his second Tour de

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00:06:54: I think he does it so pleasantly calm, he's so consistent...I somehow never have a feeling now something could today in the group that can really happen to him.

00:07:08: Then after the race he says hey!

00:07:09: He's mega happy also that Remco came back again who then finishes second and fourth.

00:07:15: His teammate pockets the bonus seconds pockets none, he's still mega happy seems calm deeply relaxed somehow having things under control with an amazing grip in his second Tour de France who is not a trained cyclist.

00:07:37: I'm extremely taken by that.

00:07:39: how do you see it?

00:07:40: Who of course can't look at it neutrally due to your function but It's really

00:07:47: good how he does it.

00:07:48: We're going around with the media now, but also what a pure graph and talent is behind that.

00:07:56: And I said this at the beginning when we spoke before the first stage... ...I think about how to assess the route in general.

00:08:04: there were also or i made the statement.. ..we are talking about seconds on the first half of Tour de France.... ....and talking about minutes especially during last weekend.

00:08:16: And I stick to my opinion that the final weekend and all of the mountains will be so hard, we'll really talk about minutes there.

00:08:28: You could already see today one or two are weakening example.

00:08:33: Isaac Del Toro also a. Jonas Wingergaard looked anything but fresh in the finals The Tour de France Final Weekend after the time trial.

00:08:43: That would be so heart again and I have a very, very good gut feeling for this period of Florian.

00:08:50: Yeah then let's stick with Wingergaard.

00:08:51: he won here three years ago.

00:08:53: today than loses over ten seconds to the other podium contenders.

00:08:59: i don't even talk about Pogacar anymore when i look at so second place also after the impressions today is already something that one could aim.

00:09:13: Yeah, it's all still between I'd say seventh eighth place and second place up front.

00:09:18: All close together.

00:09:20: And as said we will talk about minutes on.

00:09:24: We are sitting there now quite relaxed in the third place and sixth place And you have to do our job?

00:09:32: We must not crash today.

00:09:33: There were they were heavy crashes again on the descent from the penultimate mountain.

00:09:37: Tom Pitcock too who is considered a descend specialist went down on the road and that just mustn't happen to us.

00:09:45: So we have to keep going focused, but then I am so far very happy with how the guys are performing... ...and also what our starting position

00:09:55: is.".

00:09:56: Exactly!

00:09:57: Let's briefly talk about this Paul-Sexas.

00:09:59: Nineteen years old first Tour de France third today fifth in the general classification.

00:10:04: he even tried something in between.

00:10:06: those were not quite consistent.

00:10:08: He keeps turning around.

00:10:10: For a nineteen-year old, that is of course all completely legitimate.

00:10:14: But he's already showing so far why... He is called the big mega talent that he is!

00:10:24: So I'm impressed by his performance

00:10:27: That it very great performance and one can congratulate him now because we are at ten days of bike racing And he has never done this in life written a grand tour.

00:10:40: So he has ridden neither the Giro d'Italia nor the Tour de France, nor the Vuelta Espana.

00:10:45: It is very very brave of his team Decathlon to make him captain at the Tour De France as an nineteen year old and there are split opinions about it.

00:10:57: There are Opinions That say this is absolutely right And they're also opinions that completely burn him out.

00:11:06: French Team.

00:11:08: The contract expires next year.

00:11:10: He's nineteen years old, super talent.

00:11:13: Even the French president Macron got involved in contracts poker.

00:11:21: There is an offer on the table from a team From the second division of thirteen million per year.

00:11:29: As a nineteen-year-old you first have to cope with all that.

00:11:34: He earned nothing at all from cycling two years ago, the boy.

00:11:38: And now he has by far... By far the best offer on the table Far above Pogacar.

00:11:46: That is already very crazy.

00:11:49: What's currently raining down On The Boy?

00:11:52: I don't wish it on him But those are already Very many impressions that he first had to process and i hope he gets it dealt with.

00:12:04: You mentioned these two poles.

00:12:07: Some say exactly right, others say he's being burned out.

00:12:11: How do you see it?

00:12:13: We have a very similar example.

00:12:15: we have Lorenzo Finn.

00:12:17: The Lorenzo fin is also nineteen years old.

00:12:21: They they both are still rode in the U-twenty three class And by there were ride at the front of the tour de l'avenir which is to Tour de France for u twenty three riders.

00:12:33: Paul Saxas won it, Lorenzo Finn was fourth.

00:12:36: Lorenzo has now still won the Giro d'Italia in U-Twenty Three class.

00:12:43: We are building Lorenzo Fin up very carefully and we actively decided against a quick pro career.

00:12:51: but he is still riding on the U-twenty threes this year And will only join us as a pro next year.

00:12:59: That's different direction.

00:13:01: In three, four years we will see which was the better direction and strategy.

00:13:06: I rather believe that one we are running is more sustainable.

00:13:10: but there always wonders in cycling as well

00:13:13: The starting point for Red Bull Bora-Hansgrohe compared to Team Decathlon?

00:13:19: Yes because Lorenzo Finn is Italian We're a German team.

00:13:24: That means he's automatically not in the spotlight much like Paul Sakes on French teams as a Frenchman.

00:13:32: And you have two there and you have to riders who are, we can see it now riding for the general classification.

00:13:39: so especially for smaller team like Decathlon that's obviously big opportunity You always talk about.

00:13:46: hey this is where you have generate attention.

00:13:48: This is whether sponsors or public.

00:13:51: So from a team perspective I could understand more with them than i would.

00:13:57: Yeah, I have to correct you for once today.

00:14:01: Decathlon is not a small team.

00:14:03: it's very financially strong that takes the sport very seriously and decathlon with everything they do in-house development whether its gear or bikes clothing.

00:14:17: You should take them seriously.

00:14:20: They also take the sport of cycling.

00:14:23: But of course, it's a French team.

00:14:25: He is French but they've also already won the sprint stage in Pau if we remember and have their belts.

00:14:35: so that would actually be somewhat satisfied.

00:14:39: Maybe they wouldn't have even needed sex us, but as I said that's a lot of discussion.

00:14:43: A lot of speculation.

00:14:44: ultimately we'll have to talk again in two or three years about which path was the right one.

00:14:51: Paul sexes or Lorenzo Finn?

00:14:53: Okay i'll put that on my list for inside Red Bull Bora Han score In Three Years.

00:14:59: so Let's talk briefly about Maxim van Gils.

00:15:03: He had to drop off early again today, he was originally planned as someone who similar to Jay Hintley would stay up there for a relatively long time on stages like this is not feeling well?

00:15:15: Is the form not their?

00:15:16: what do you know about the reason it didn't work out today?

00:15:20: It's two things.

00:15:22: we're talking about nuances here but of course they level at the Tour de France so high.

00:15:28: First, he was very seriously injured in February.

00:15:33: The race in Andalusia fractured his pelvis and has a long rehab behind him.

00:15:38: then came back relatively well quickly for the Dauphiné also won a stage at the Criterium du Dauphiné and was heavily involved on the podium in the second place of Luke Tackwell.

00:15:52: My thought is that maybe he's still lacking some base now because he didn't ride a bike at all for many weeks.

00:16:03: And maybe, he's lacking a bit of a base so... He may be not as strong right now we hoped.

00:16:10: and what also comes into play which I know Because i talk to him personally is that he doesn't really love the heat.

00:16:19: So if it were ten degrees cooler would raise his hand and say I'd rather have this temperature.

00:16:26: He's Belgian, maybe a bit different from the Spanish or Italian riders who are more heat resistant.

00:16:33: So those two small factors and then you may be not in the last thirty on the climb but only in the past fifty or sixty.

00:16:44: we're talking here about the biggest bike race in the world an about nuances.

00:16:50: If everything isn't at one hundred percent, then you have no chance of being in the last twenty or thirty on the climb.

00:16:57: And as always like to say this Tour de France is no picnic.

00:17:01: speaking off No Picnic I think some teams.

00:17:04: You gave us great insights before The rest day on Sunday into Whole hotel situation and what's been done To make sure that teams and riders recover well.

00:17:16: So sometimes certainly wish things were different.

00:17:19: Pogacca's hotel had no air conditioning.

00:17:23: Team Uno X Mobility, Anders Halland Johannesson posted a video.

00:17:28: You can see dirt in the room.

00:17:31: you can see cobwebs In The Room No Air Conditioning.

00:17:34: They went outside and slept on the balcony.

00:17:37: So we're not On A Luxury Cruise Ship Here.

00:17:40: But Something Like That Is Unworthy Of The Tour de France I Think!

00:17:44: You Can Look At It That Way...In The End I See it that way too.

00:17:49: But you also have to look at the big picture.

00:17:53: We had incredibly beautiful images today in The Massif Central, I mean that was really spectacular and some point when watching it on TV or maybe go there sometime do a cycling holiday okay?

00:18:08: we want these images in cycling.

00:18:10: i think they are important for cycling.

00:18:13: anyone who has ever been to the Massif central knows absolutely weak region And in a structurally weak region, there aren't that many hotels.

00:18:24: Then the Tour de France keeps getting bigger and bigger... ...and the teams are also getting bigger and bigger!

00:18:29: I know from The Organiser they need three thousand beds every day.

00:18:35: That is massive number.

00:18:37: They might exist in metropolitan areas of Paris, Lyon & Marseille but just don't exist in the Massif Central And that's why the organizers often take what is available on the market.

00:18:50: The fact you can't check every hotel, it difficult.

00:18:54: but let me put this way I have never seen a bad hotels for officials But i've see many bad hotels For teams and maybe we need to use some common sense here so that the protagonists who are putting on show On road given good hotels not the official.

00:19:15: I experienced the same thing this year at the Giro d'Italia.

00:19:18: We were often in terrible hotels, often just two-star Italian standard and then you go for a walk in The Village In the evening to stretch your legs And You see the officials in front of A four star hotel.

00:19:31: So there...I think we should perhaps prioritize the riders But when you look At the big picture it's not easy.

00:19:43: An immediate solution would be to stop going to the Massif Central.

00:19:47: But then we also wouldn't have the beautiful mountains, the beautiful images and that's something you must know.

00:19:54: this... ...that Tour de France always prides itself on.

00:19:57: We visit the structurally weak regions in France And try to boost their tourism.

00:20:04: That is a guiding principle of the tour de France.

00:20:09: Okay great Ralph!

00:20:10: We are grateful for your every day for showing us the big picture with things we couldn't possibly know and For the great insights you've presented to us again today, so We'll push the background topic tomorrow.

00:20:27: Let's look at Wednesday.

00:20:28: So it starts at one fifty p.m Expected arrival is five thirty p. m.. It goes from Vichy to Nevere.

00:20:36: One hundred sixty-one kilometers will be ridden two category four climbs, otherwise it'll be flat.

00:20:43: So the sprinters don't have many chances anyway.

00:20:46: they're getting fewer and fewer of course but tomorrow could be another day for the Sprinters.

00:20:51: what's your feeling?

00:20:53: Looking at the root profile I'm completely with you.

00:20:57: The only thing that can cause difficulties on these supposedly flat stages is wind or weather But currently looks pretty good there too.

00:21:07: so my tip Sprint, the GC riders around Florian Remco and everyone else who battle it out daily for the top ten.

00:21:20: They'll be grateful if the race is a bit quieter for the guys tomorrow.

00:21:26: they earned that break today too.

00:21:27: The two of us aren't taking a brake tomorrow.

00:21:30: in quotation marks Of course I mean there's still bike racing going on at the Tour de France but It should be quieter, so no break for the two of us tomorrow because we'll hear from each other as usual after this stage.

00:21:44: I say congratulations on a great bike race today also from Red Bull Bora Hanskroll and thanks for the chat dear Alf!

00:21:54: My pleasure and have an nice evening and best regards back to Rosenheim.

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